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KIRKLANDS FOURTH QUARTER 2011 CONFERENCE CALL
Moderator: Robert Alderson
March 8, 2012
11:00 am CT
Operator: | Press 8 to pause the recording. Press 9 to fast forward 30 seconds. Press 0 to adjust the volume. |
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Kirklands, Inc. Fourth Quarter 2011 conference call. |
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During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At that time if you have a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. If at any time during the conference you need to reach an operator, please press star 0. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, Thursday, March 8, 2012. |
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Tripp Sullivan of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead, sir. |
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Tripp Sullivan: | Good morning and welcome to this Kirklands Incorporated conference call to review the companys results for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2011. |
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On the call this morning are Robert Alderson, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Madden, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. |
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The results, as well as Notice of the Accessibility in this conference on listen-only basis over the Internet were release earlier this morning in a press release has been covered by the financial media. Except for historical information discussed during this conference call, the statements made by company management are forward-looking and made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. |
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Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties which may cause Kirklands actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. Those risks and uncertainties are more fully described in Kirklands filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the companys Annual Report on Form 10-K filed on April 14, 2011. |
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With that said, I will turn the call over to Mike for a review of the financial results. |
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Michael Madden: | Thanks, Tripp, and good morning everybody. Ill begin with a review of the fourth quarter financial statements, and then finish with financial guidance for the first quarter and performance goals for fiscal 2012. |
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For the fourth quarter total sales, including gift card breakage revenue, were $149.1 million, a 6.8% increase, versus the prior year quarter. As previously announced, comparable store sales increased 1.4%. E-commerce sales entered the base of comparable stores sales in December of 2011 and contributed 80 basis points to the total increase during the quarter. Average sales per store increased 4% over the prior year quarter. The store comp sales increase was driven by a 4% increase in the amount of the average ticket. Increases in both the average retail selling price and the number of items in each transaction led to the overall increase in the average ticket. The transaction count declined by approximately 3%, traffic count increased 2%, but a decline in the conversion rate more than offset the traffic increase. |
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From a geographic standpoint, sales trends continued much like the third quarter. We are we experienced stronger results in California, Arizona, Florida, the Upper Midwest, and North Carolina. Results were below average in Texas and Louisiana. |
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E-commerce sales were $3 million for the quarter. In our first full-year operating the business, sales were $8.4 million. We experienced sales acceleration each quarter since going live in November of 2010. Traffic to the site is on the rise with unique visits increasing 70% over the prior year during the months of January and February. The merchandise category showing comp increases were art, floral, seasonal, gifts, mirrors, and textiles. These increases were offset primarily by declines in decorative accessories, alternative wall décor, and frames. |
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In real estate we opened 11 stores and closed 3 stores during the quarter, bringing us to 309 stores at quarter-end. Eighty-four percent of the stores at quarter-end were in off-mall venues, and 16% were located in enclosed malls. At the end of the quarter we had 2.1 million square feet under lease, a 10% increase from the prior year. Average store size was up 7% to right at 6900 feet. |
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Gift card breakage revenue was $800,000 as compared to $250,000 in the prior year quarter, reflecting an increase in the estimate for the expected breakage rate. |
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Gross profit margin for the fourth quarter increased approximately 70 basis points to 43.0% of sales from 42.3% in the prior year. The components of reported gross profit margin were as follows. First, merchandise margin increased approximately 40 basis points as a percentage of sales. As expected, lower inbound freight costs positively affected the margin during the quarter, accounting for an increase of 110 basis points. An increase in promotional activity and a higher markdown rate offset a portion of the gains realized from the lower freight costs. |
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Secondly, we recorded a gain of approximately $1.2 million during the quarter related to a change in the estimate of our accrual for customer loyalty points. This adjustment accounted for a benefit to cost of sales of approximately 90 basis points versus the prior year quarter. During the quarter we terminated our agreement with our private label credit card and loyalty program provider. As a result of that termination, the loyalty accrual associated with that program was reversed. Weve replaced the credit card and related loyalty program with a new provided. The rollout is underway and should be completed before the end of the first quarter of 2012. |
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Thirdly, store occupancy costs increased 15 basis points a percentage of sales. The increase, as a percentage of sales, reflects the slight increase in comparable store sales and a reduction in the number of renegotiated leases compared with the prior year. Fourth, outbound freight costs increased 40 basis due to higher diesel fuel cost, as well as shipping and packaging costs associated with an increase in the E-commerce business. And finally, central distribution costs were essentially flat as a percentage of sales. |
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Operating expenses for the quarter were $36.6 million or 24.5% of sales, as compared to $33.4 million or 23.9% of sales in the prior year quarter. Increases in store payroll, as a percentage of sales, drove approximately 1/2 of the overall increase. Staffing levels were increased during the fourth quarter to support an increase planned promotional activity and a larger seasonal merchandise offering. The remainder of the increase was due to several factors, including an increase in corporate salaries, as a percentage of sales, increases in accruals related to employee benefits, and higher marketing and professional and legal expenses. These increases, as a percent of sales were offset party by favorable experience in workers compensation and general liability claim trends. |
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Depreciation and amortization was flat on a dollar basis, but down slightly as a percentage of sales, reflecting the improvement in total sales trends. Operating income for the fourth quarter was $24.1 million or 16.1% of sales as compared to $22.2 million or 15.9% of sales in the prior year quarter. |
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Income tax expense was $8.9 million or 37.1% of pre-tax income, versus expense of $7.9 million or 35.2% of pre-tax income recorded in the prior year quarter. Income tax expense for the fourth quarter of the prior year included a net benefit of approximately $800,000 related to an adjustment to the prior year income tax provision, partly offset by a revaluation of the state tax rate on deferred tax assets based on tax planning strategies implemented during 2010. |
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Net income for the quarter was $15.2 million of 78 cents per diluted share, as compared to net income of $14.4 million or 70 cents per diluted share in the prior year quarter. |
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Turning to the balance sheet and the cash flow statement, inventories at January 28, 2012 were on plan at $47.3 million, or $153,000 per store, as compared to $44.5 million or $148,000 per store in the prior year. This represents a 6% increase in total inventory and a 3% increase on a per store basis. On a per square foot basis, inventories are down about 3% year-over-year. We expect to end the first quarter of 2012 with inventory levels in the range of $45 to $47 million. |
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At the end of fiscal 2011 we had $83.1 million in cash on hand, as compared to $91.2 million at the end of fiscal 2010. During the year we repurchased 2.1 million shares of our common stock for a total of $24.6 million under our repurchase authorization, which was established in August of 2011. No borrowings were outstanding under our revolving line of credit at the end of either this fiscal year or the prior. |
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For the full-year cash flows from operations were $41.8 million, as compared to $36.7 million in the prior year. This increase in cash flow from operations primarily relates to the timing of Federal and State income tax payments. |
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Capital expenditures for the year were $26.7 million. Of the total capital expenditures, $15.2 million related to new store construction, $8.7 million related to information technology maintenance and projects, and the balance related to maintenance capital expenditures for stores, the distribution center, and the corporate offices. |
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The final item Ill cover before turning it over to Robert is to provide some guidance on our outlook for the first quarter of 2012 and some high level performance goals for the full-year fiscal 2012. |
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For the first quarter ending April 28, 2012, we expect total sales to be in the range of $98 to $100 million reflecting comparable store sales of flat to slightly positive, compared with net sales of $94.4 million and comparable store sales decrease of 8.4% in the quarter. We expect some continued benefit from inbound freight costs during the first quarter, likely to be in the range of 30 to 50 basis points. Excluding the freight impact, merchandise margins have been relatively strong for the first quarter-to-date. |
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Operating expenses are expected to increase as percentage of sales, primarily reflecting a planned increase in marketing activity. Earnings per share are expected to be in the range of 11 to 14 cents per diluted share, compared to 15 cents per share in the prior year quarter. |
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We expect to open approximately 5 stores and close 15 stores during the quarter. For the full-year of fiscal 2012, as it relates to store count and store growth, we expect to open 35 to 45 stores and close approximately 25 stores, implying unit growth of between 3% and 6% and square footage growth of 9% to 13%. The store openings will be weighted toward the second half of the year, and the closings will be weighted toward the first half of the year. |
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Our top line expectations are for total sales in fiscal 2012 to be above fiscal 2011 in the range of 10% to 12%. This expectation for total sales growth reflects the additional week in the retail calendar for fiscal 2012, which includes 53 weeks. This level of sales growth would imply comparable store sales of flat to slightly positive for the full-year, excluding the impact of the additional week of sales. |
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Based on our current outlook, we would expect operating margin for fiscal 12 to approximately equal that of fiscal 11. We expect inbound freight costs to be lower than the prior year during the first half of fiscal 2012, and edge upwards as the year progresses. We are encouraged by our merchandise margin results thus far and optimistic about the prospects for our merchandise offering in 2012, and its ability to further improve our merchandise margins. |
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Increases in fuel costs, a planned increase in marketing activity, and investments in additional personnel in key areas of the business to support our growth and technology investments will serve to offset some of the merchandise margin gains. |
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With a tax rate assumption ranging between 38% and 38-1/2% for the year, at this time we would expect earnings per share to be in the range of $1.10 to $1.15 for fiscal 2012. |
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From a cash flow standpoint, we anticipate again generating positive cash flow in 2012 and fully funding our new store growth, technology, and other capital improvements through internally generated cash flows. We do not anticipate usage on our line of credit. |
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Capital expenditures are currently anticipated to range between $29 million and $32 million in 2012 before landlord construction allowances for new stores. We currently estimate that approximately $16 to $18 million of the total capital expenditures will related to new store construction, $7 to $8 million will relate to information technology, with the balance of our capital expenditures relating to distribution center improvements and store merchandise fixture enhancements and other refurbishments. |
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We will update outlook each quarter during 2012. |
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Thank you and Ill now turn the call over to Robert. |
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Robert Alderson: | Thanks, Mike. Q4 2011 showed financial and merchandise performance improvement over the prior year quarter, and continuation of generally improved trends in our business that began in the third quarter. |
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Although better than originally projected, the Q4 comparable sales increase was moderate and helped by the entry of our startup E-commerce business into the comp base in December. |
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Art, as it easily does, led the way with substantial comp and product margin increase. A strong seasonal offering in both Harvest and Christmas in the fourth quarter, again, drove positive sales and product margin gains as our strategy to buy up to the prior year quarter proved successful, despite the expected promotional season. We see year round opportunity in seasonal product, which we have historically limited largely to the back half of the year. Gift and impulse also contributed significantly and should have full-year impact. |
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Traffic gains in the quarter, as well as an average ticket increase highlighted the transaction metrics. Conversion percentage was the only metric that was down for the quarter. Transactional metrics for the quarter and the back half are stronger in non-mall stores than mall stores, a trend that we expect to continue in 2012. |
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As we begin 2012 were encouraged about the composition of our merchandise mix and in relation to that of a year ago, and were also encouraged by the early trends were seeing. Framed Art remains a solid and consistent performer entering 2012 with good momentum, and driving our average unit retail of strong sales in large art pieces. We presented (these styles) in materials and table and floor lamps as we seek to update and upgrade this category. |
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Based on proven success, our proprietary wax programs will be emphasized in candles. We expect our furniture business to continue to provide strong sales and support average ticket gains, and provide both every day and promotional opportunity. Mirrors gained sales and margin momentum in the fourth quarter, as our inventory levels achieved balance and size and type. We should continue it in the first half. Further strength in the quarter is expected in Floral and Garden textiles, and our expanding gift business. |
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Seasonal will be important to the quarter as our expanded Easter offering is has performed very well today. Our Alternative Wall Décor business is back on plan and should perform better as the year progresses; albeit at lower sales levels than 2010 and 11 as we adjust skews and inventory levels to demand. |
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Our first quarter performance opportunity is on the product margin line. As Mike mentioned, we do expect some incremental tailwind from freight charges during the first half, but that should moderate as the first half progresses and freight rates evidenced announced increases in March and June. It is uncertain if and how much of announced container increases will actually hold in the face of continued tepid worldwide demand. |
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Based on historical experience, both inbound and outbound freight rates, as well as retail sales will be affected if oil prices continue to rise and remain at historic high levels due to political unrest or the anticipation thereof. |
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We should continue to get a slight sales boost from results of our E-commerce business as it continues to experience and project rapid growth. We will make adjustments to our distribution center this year to facilitate this growth; however, we dont expect E-com to be a significant percentage of our overall sales for several years, despite building at strong year-over-year rates. |
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These store growths should continue in the first half as we aim towards a slightly larger class of stores in 2012, suggested by our consistent success in new store performance since resuming building new stores in 2009. Space availability remains a store growth constraint, but we also remain optimistic that we will get more than our share of suitable spaces and remain a force in the process of retenanting large spaces for multiple tenants. Closings project to continue at fairly high levels for 2012 and 13 as we near the end of our move out from recently closed malls to strip centers. We will likely rethink our ultimate position in certain existing markets where a suitable opportunity to move off-mall has not or is not likely to be presented in the near or mid-term. |
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This year we will also refocus our relocation efforts to work on relocating older deals in unanchored lifestyle centers. Well also continue to develop our presence in the California market where weve seen very nice acceptance. |
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Theres really no magic formula. The marketplace is very fragmented and every deal is hard and time consuming. The only formula for success is to make every deal stand on its own, practice prudence in the deal negotiation in the build-out, and react quickly to make the deal and build the stores. |
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Mike mentioned that we would spend slightly more advertising in 2012. We have developed and distributed our first form of a catalog in our history, 24 pages, designed to show our new merchandise and showcase the style and pricing. Its a learning process in every way, but we see a great opportunity to build sales following with customers and brand awareness as we sent them to a million customers, and distributed 500,000 in our stores. |
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We continue to build on our Internet advertising presence with the additional Twitter during Q4 and Pinterest in the first quarter. |
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We appreciate your continued interest and were ready to take questions, operator. |
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Operator: | Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen if youd like to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. You will hear a three-toned prompt to acknowledge your request. If your question has already been answered and you would like to withdraw registration, please press the 1 followed by the 3. If youre using a speakerphone, please lift your handset before entering your request. Once again to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. |
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And our first question comes from the line of Brad Thomas with Keybanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. |
(Benan Vichelvin): Hi, this is (Benan Vichelvin) in place of Brad Thomas. You mentioned that youre planning on increasing your marketing expense and I was just wondering if you could give a bit more color on how much you plan to increase, where that increase will go, and what the expected benefits will be? |
Michael Madden: | Well, in terms of how much were talking about here, I think, you know, the fiscal year 2011 we spent approximately 1.1% of our sales in marketing and advertising activities. As were talking about a move from that level to in the range of 1-1/2% to you know 1.7%, just depending on our success and how much we how we read the activities that we undertake during the first half and measure them and react. |
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Robert Alderson: | Now, those numbers are embedded in our forecast. |
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Michael Madden: | They are. And in terms of the activities themselves, Robert mentioned one of them. We did launch a catalog this first quarter. Its a our first effort at that in quite some time, and really on that scale ever that weve done. Were anxious to were in the midst of that being out there and in place and in everybodys hands, and well be able to measure that better as we get later into the quarter. But, thats the type of activity were talking about, a little bit more mass effort and adding to our continued interest in email marketing and online advertising. |
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Robert Alderson: | I think you can think of it that the Internet really drives current customers and repeat customers, and you get some new customer benefit. I think were thinking a little bit more about how we add customers with the advertising expense and try to do that in a very measured and precise way, and feel our way along with it before we make a much bigger spend. |
(Benan Vichelvin): Okay, great. Thanks. And could you give a little more color on the cadence of your comp brandings throughout the year, you know, just if its separate from the first half and the second half? You know, in the second half you have more difficult comparisons, so just wanted to see how youre thinking about that. |
Michael Madden: | Well, I think it the way it turns out its pretty consistent, in terms of how weve guided here. I would point out that, you know, as we look at the quarters individually here going into this year, you know, Q1 was actually, even though you look at last years comp of down 8%, actually a little bit tougher comparison. If you go back two years we were up 12% in that quarter and it was a very strong quarter in the first quarter of 2010. We obviously werent able to comp that last year, but that rollover effect, if you will, remains. And Q1 was actually a quarter where we generated a lot of sales volume. Just we were up against some really tough comps last year. |
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Robert Alderson: | I think we see opportunity in the back in the remaining three quarters though. I especially would expect to see some in Q2. |
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Michael Madden: | Yes. |
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(Benan Vichelvin):Okay, thanks. | ||
Operator: | Our next question comes from the line of Neely Tamminga with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead. |
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Neely Tamminga: | Great. Thanks, you guys. Good morning. |
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Michael Madden: | Good morning, Neely. |
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Robert Alderson: | (Good morning). |
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Neely Tamminga: | Hey, so just a couple questions, if I may? First, gas prices? I mean, you did talk about the freight, in terms of on the movement of your product, but can you remind us historically has your consumer seen resistance when we go into like gas price shocks? Help us to understand some of the historical context there, and then Ive got a handful of other questions too. |
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Robert Alderson: | Okay. Well, you know, I think 2010 was maybe the last period where we saw dislocations in price. And, you know, I we personally feel like it affected the customer. I you know that was the first time that we spiked to $4 and beyond and we saw, I think, $147 oil, something like that. And, you know, I think thats - that was some of the period in time where consumer confidence received some of its probably most difficult shocks in recent past. |
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So, I dont know that itll be quite that event when it goes to $4 this time, Neely, since weve been there before. But I think, you know, oil above $100 is not, as of yet, that impactful except as its going to impact some of our outbound diesel. But, if it goes back up in to the $130s or $140s again, I think itll affect business. |
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Neely Tamminga: | Okay. Hey, and then a little bit on regional performance. Mike, I was joined to the call as you were talking about some of your regional underperformance. Could you talk a little bit more just maybe repeat a little bit of what you said by region, and is it a company-specific situation or do you think theres something going on with those local areas from an economic perspective? |
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Michael Madden: | Yeah, just to repeat some of that, we it was consistent with what we saw really in Q3, in terms of trend versus total company. And where we saw the strength was in California, Arizona, Florida, the Upper Midwest, and North Carolina, and then the weakness was in Texas and Louisiana, which is something wed seen really throughout 2011. |
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I you know, as to whether its company-specific, I think theres certainly some economic issues in the Louisiana markets and in some of the Texas markets that are remaining from the oil moratorium and the employment situations in some of those markets. But also, weve been adding a lot of stores in Texas, and filling out some of those markets sometimes impacts your comp a little bit. I dont think thats a huge impact, probably two, three points in those markets, but I think it is an impact nonetheless. So, that portion of it would be somewhat company-specific. |
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Neely Tamminga: | Okay. And then, from a merchandise perspective, you know were hearing a lot about color as being a primary driver in apparel-land, are you seeing some of that across your merchandise categories? I mean, it sounds like youve got some pockets of strength and your categories could play really well to that, in terms of quick updates and refreshes in homes. Just wondering. |
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Robert Alderson: | Yeah, I think. |
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Neely Tamminga: | ...how you guys are seeing that internally. |
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Robert Alderson: | ...if you walk in our store today, Neely, youd be struck by the impact of color. |
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Neely Tamminga: | Absolutely. |
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Robert Alderson: | Its very much in the forefront of whats happening in a lot of categories, and I think its very impactful and, you know, its been very helpful to us. And if you see our first spring catalog you see, you know color is very prominent. And, you know, we tried very hard to be more quickly transitioned into spring this year in 2012, I think as weve discussed with you, from time-to-time over the last year. So, I think its certainly a suggestion that youve had and we certainly agree with it and tried to implement it. |
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Neely Tamminga: | Great. Thanks you guys and good luck. |
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Michael Madden: | Thank you. |
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Robert Alderson: | Thank you. We appreciate it. |
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Operator: | Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead. |
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Anthony Lebiedzinski:Yes, good morning. I was wondering if you could give us an | ||
update on your IT system initiatives. I know you did a point of sale last year | ||
and planning to do some improvements in your merchandising system, so could you | ||
please discuss that please? | ||
Michael Madden: | Sure. Well, as you said, we completed our POS activities last year. We (really) hardware and software, and that was in place throughout really the meat of the fourth quarter. So, that was one good one to get behind us and were having, you know, good results after the fact, so were very pleased about that great effort by the team here. |
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But we also the biggest effort right now that were in the midst of is the merchandising system transition to an Oracle system, and you know that project is ongoing. Were still developing some of the interfaces that will be needed once we go live, and that effort the timeline on that effort right now is suggesting the fall. But, what well have to do at that point in time is judge based on, you know, where we are in the seasonality of the business as to whether thats wise to cut over at that point in time once we complete all the implementation effort. And that may result in a deferral until the beginning of next year, so thats the timeline that were looking at right now. |
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Its an ongoing effort and a lot of work and energy being expended there right as we speak. |
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Anthony Lebiedzinski:Okay, thanks. And then, could you give us an update on the | ||
trends that youre seeing in real estate costs? | ||
Robert Alderson: | I think deals are a bit tighter. As I said, space availability remains some constrain on the number of deals that can done, but I dont think the price is dramatically different year-over-year in 2011 based on what were seeing for those weve completed so far this year for or last year for 2012. I think it remains much about how quickly landlords are able to get to a place where they can breakup existing vacant big box spaces that they have an opportunity to break into multiple tenant spaces. And that represents an investment by the landlord, and they always try to find a single user first, but you know I think eventually well see more and more of that activity and were at the forefront of that. |
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So, I think well see a little bit tighter deals, but maybe not as big a factor in 2012 as we might expect. |
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Anthony Lebiedzinski:Okay. And lastly, Im just wondering, are you including | ||
share potential future share buyback in your EPS forecasts? | ||
Michael Madden: | No, we are we will report that activity as we progress quarter-by-quarter, so that is based on the current sharecount coming into the year. |
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Anthony Lebiedzinski:Okay, thank you. | ||
Operator: | Ladies and gentlemen as another reminder, if youd like to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. |
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Our next question comes from the line of Christine Rapalje with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please go ahead. |
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Christine Rapalje: | Good morning, guys. |
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Robert Alderson: | Hey. |
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Christine Rapalje: | Just a couple of questions. First on the conversion, the decline you saw in fourth quarter, do you see that as an opportunity for some merchandising changes, or do you think maybe theres some further adjustments to the mix perhaps away from some of the categories that you noted as having some weakness? |
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Robert Alderson: | Well, conversion you know we had some traffic gains in the quarter. Conversions always a fact you know I think always factor of the level of traffic and how well they perceive your merchandise. And I think any time you dont convert positively youre asking yourself, Can we do this better on the merchandise side? |
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And we have already made substantial adjustments to our mix for the first half and well expect to do that in the back half as we look toward ordering seasonal for the fall, which were already in that process right now. So yeah, we certainly will, Christine. |
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Christine Rapalje: | And then just secondly, I think you mentioned that you think seasonal that you expect to increase that. Looking forward in the calendar you mentioned Easter being bigger this year. What other sort of opportunity do you see, as far as highlighting particular holidays this year? |
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Robert Alderson: | Well, I hope we execute both on the merchandise and store side, I hope we execute Mothers Day better. I think its a great opportunity the biggest opportunity in the first half. And we are have thought about that based on experience. You know, and well do we did a little bit more Valentines this year than weve done in the past and, as I said, more Easter. |
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You know, there are opportunities to do things around even miscellaneous at whats become miscellaneous holidays like Presidents Day and Fourth of July when you think of them in the retail context. But, the big seasonal piece always is in the second half for us and always will be, but were going to try to find opportunities around every special event or holiday to present a reason for somebody to come by our store and see whats happening. |
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Christine Rapalje: | Okay. Well, great. I saw the catalog and it looks really good. Good luck with that. |
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Robert Alderson: | Thanks. I hope you bought something because of it. |
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Operator: | And there are no further questions at this time. Id like to turn the call back over to you Mr. Alderson for your closing remarks. |
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Robert Alderson: | Thanks, guys. We appreciate your time and interest and well talk to you in May, I believe. |
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Thanks. |
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Operator: | Ladies and gentlemen that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line. |
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