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CORPORATE
PARTICIPANTS
Jeff
Tryka
Lambert,
Edwards & Associates - IR
Fred
Zinn
Drew
Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Joe
Giordano
Drew
Industries Incorporated - CFO, Treasurer
Jason
Lippert
Drew
Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and
Kinro
Leigh
Abrams
Drew
Industries Incorporated - Chairman of the Board
CONFERENCE CALL
PARTICIPANTS
Jamie
Baskin
Thompson
Research Group - Analyst
Bret
Jordan
Avondale
Partners - Analyst
Scott
Stember
Sidoti
& Company - Analyst
Torin
Eastburn
CJS
Securities - Analyst
Liam
Burke
Janney
Capital Markets - Analyst
Arnold
Brief
Goldsmith
& Harris - Analyst
Barry
Vogel
Barry
Vogel & Associates - Analyst
DeForest
Hinman
Walthausen
& Company - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good
day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the third-quarter 2010 Drew Industries
Incorporated earnings conference call. My name is Alicia, and I will be your
coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode.
We will be conducting a question-and-answer session towards the end of this
conference. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference call is
being recorded for replay purposes.
I would
now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today, Mr. Jeff Tryka,
Lambert, Edwards, Drew Industries' firm. Please proceed, sir.
Jeff Tryka - Lambert, Edwards & Associates - IR
Thank
you, Alicia. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Drew Industries 2010
third-quarter conference call. I am Jeff Tryka with Lambert, Edwards, Drew's
Investor Relations firm. And I have with me today members of Drew's management
team, including Leigh Abrams, Chairman of the Board of Drew; Fred Zinn,
President and CEO and Director of Drew; Jason Lippert, Chairman and CEO of
Lippert Components and Kinro; and Joe Giordano, CFO and Treasurer of
Drew.
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We want to
take a few minutes to discuss our quarterly results. However, before we do so,
it is my responsibility to inform you that certain statements made in today's
conference call regarding Drew Industries and its operations may be considered
forward-looking statements under the securities laws. As a result, I must
caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond the
Company's control, which could cause actual results and events to differ
materially from those described in the forward-looking statements.
These
factors are identified in our press releases, our Form 10-K for the year ended
2009 and in our subsequent Form 10-Qs, all as filed with the SEC.
With that,
I would like to turn the call over to Fred Zinn. Fred?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Thank
you, Jeff, and thank all of you for joining us on the call and on the webcast.
Once again, we are very pleased with our results, particularly in light of
economic conditions.
Drew's
operating management team has continued to perform extremely well under
difficult circumstances. In the last 18 months, the seasonal swings in our
business have been even more pronounced than we've experienced in many years.
This increased volatility complicates production scheduling, shipping
requirements, employment levels and other factors which impact factory
operations. We haven't been perfect, but I believe our team has done a darn good
job under these very difficult conditions.
I am also
pleased with our response to the challenges presented by the changing business
environment. During the recession, our concentration was primarily on cost
control, which served us well in managing through that difficult period. This
year, we've taken a more balanced approach, devoting equal time and attention to
opportunities available to us because of our strong financial position. The four
acquisitions we completed this year and our increased spending to expand
capacity demonstrate that we are ready to invest our considerable resources to
enhance our growth potential. Further, we've sharpened our focus on strategic
planning and the evaluation of longer-term growth opportunities so that we will
have the key people and other resources necessary to continue to expand for
years to come.
In the
near term, however, our growth potential is primarily tied to the RV industry.
Therefore, we are quite pleased that retail sales of travel trailer and
fifth-wheel RVs remained so strong throughout the summer. These significant
increases in demand, despite the weak economy, support our belief that the RV
lifestyle continues to be a priority for families across the United
States.
From April
through August 2010, retail sales exceeded production of travel trailer and
fifth-wheel RVs by an aggregate of more than 11,000 units, leaving RV dealer
inventories in much better shape. During the seasonally slower period, we expect
that RV dealers will remain cautious about their purchases and inventory levels.
This could impact industry-wide production levels in the fourth quarter of 2010
compared to the fourth quarter last year, when dealers increased inventory and
production significantly exceeded retail sales.
On the
other hand, looking forward to 2011, continuing strength in retail demand as the
economy recovers would drive dealer orders and factory production, especially
with dealer inventories now at much lower levels.
We are
also optimistic about the longer-term potential of the RV industry beyond 2011.
Retail sales of RVs are still well below the levels reached just a few years
ago. In 2007, retail sales of travel trailer and fifth-wheel RVs exceeded
275,000 units. This was nearly 100,000 units more than are expected to be sold
at retail in 2010. While easier credit likely bolstered 2007 demand, we believe
the RV industry is still far below its potential, particularly due to the
continuing popularity of the RV lifestyle.
With
continuing economic improvements, reasonable increases in credit availability
and favorable demographic trends, we expect the RV industry to grow
substantially in the coming years. Based on Drew's current content for towable
RV of $2,200, substantial long-term growth in the RV industry should have a
significant impact on Drew's results. Further, we expect to exceed industry
growth by continuing to increase our content per RV, as we have for the past
decade.
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Since
manufactured housing components represent only a small portion of Drew sales, I
won't repeat the reasons for my positive views on the future of this industry.
But we still believe there is more opportunity than risk for Drew in its
manufactured housing business and related markets. By carefully controlling
costs, we continue to generate favorable profits and return on assets in this
segment.
We still
face economic uncertainties and limited visibility about RV industry production
levels over the next few months. However, I am very optimistic about Drew's
long-term potential. Drew has the management team, resources, opportunities and
motivation to enable us to continue our track record of consistent success over
the long-term.
Now I will
ask Joe Giordano to discuss our results in more detail.
Joe Giordano - Drew Industries Incorporated - CFO, Treasurer
Thank
you, Fred. In addition to the RV industry growth for travel trailer and
fifth-wheel RVs, our content per RV continued to grow this year, as it has over
the last decade. For the 12-month period ended September 2010, our content per
travel trailer and fifth-wheel RV increased 9% as compared to the 12-month
period ended September 2009. The increase in content for new RVs is due
primarily to market share gains and new product introductions.
As a
result of the recent acquisitions, further increases in our RV content are
expected. In the third quarter of 2010, we refined the calculation of content
per unit to better identify aftermarket sales, as well as sales to other
industries. There was no change in total reported net sales for either
segment.
In
addition to our goal of increasing content through increased market share of our
products in new RVs and manufactured homes, we have gained a greater share of
the aftermarket for replacement components in both the RV and the manufactured
housing industries. For the 12 months ended September 2010, our manufactured
housing and RV aftermarket sales reached $27 million, an increase of 28% from
the $21 million for the 12 months ended September 2009. We anticipate continued
expansion of our aftermarket business.
Further,
for the 12 months ended September 2010, our sales to other industries, largely
modular housing and transit buses, were approximately $21 million. This
represented an increase of 41% from the $15 million for the 12 months ended
September 2009.
During the
first nine months of 2010, we completed four acquisitions, for an aggregate cash
consideration of $22 million paid at closing. In addition, contingent earn-out
could be paid over the next six years, depending upon the level of sales
generated from certain of the acquired products. The $12 million present value
of the aggregate estimated earn-out payments has been recorded as a liability on
our balance sheet.
During the
third quarter, as required by the accounting literature, we reevaluated the fair
value of this liability for these estimated earn-out payments, based upon future
sales expectations, and recorded a gain of $900,000 in SG&A. Our current
forecast for aggregate earn-out payments remains consistent with original
expectations.
However,
to date, the market penetration has been slower than originally assumed,
reducing the estimated earn-out payments in the early years, which are expected
to be offset by larger earn-out payments in the later years, resulting in a
lower present value of future payments. The Company could record future
adjustments in the income statement in future periods.
Each
period, we are also required to record an expense or accretion equivalent to
interest on this recorded liability for future earn-out payments. Accretion
expense was $600,000 for the third quarter of 2010 and $1.1 million for the
year-to-date 2010. In the third quarter of 2010, this accretion expense was
reclassified from interest expense to SG&A in the consolidated income
statement, in accordance with the accounting literature. Prior periods have been
reclassified to conform to this presentation. Both the normal accretion expense
and the earn-out liability adjustment are included in Other Items in the segment
results.
Because so
much has changed over the past year, we find it useful to compare our results
for the current quarter to the most recently completed quarter. Due to the
heightened seasonality in industry-wide production of RVs, our third-quarter
2010 sales were $27 million below second-quarter levels. However, third-quarter
2010 operating profit declined only $3 million from the second-quarter 2010
levels, or 12% of the sales decline. This was better than the 20% incremental
margin decline we would typically expect, primarily due to the $1 million gain
on the earn-out liability adjustment and lower workers' compensation and group
insurance costs.
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In
addition, in an effort to retain key employees in preparation for 2011
production levels, management retained a larger workforce during the seasonal
slowdown, but this additional cost was offset by significantly reducing
overtime.
Further,
raw material costs as a percent of sales during the third quarter of 2010 were
consistent with the second quarter of 2010. During the third quarter of 2010,
steel prices did not decline as anticipated just a few months ago. However, the
cost of aluminum and certain other raw materials increased, contrary to what was
expected.
We
anticipate that raw material costs as a percent of sales during the fourth
quarter of 2010 will be consistent with the third quarter of 2010.
Interest
expense for the third quarter of 2010 was less than $100,000, primarily
consisting of commitment and letter of credit fees under the line of credit.
Interest expense is partially offset by interest income. Due to market
conditions, we are currently earning very little interest income on our $57
million of cash and investments in US Treasuries and money markets currently
held with Wells Fargo and JPMorganChase.
Stock-based
compensation for the first nine months of 2010 was $3 million, and we anticipate
an additional $1 million of expense in the fourth quarter of 2010. Drew grants
stock options annually, and we expect there will be an annual grant again this
November. As always, the option exercise price will be the fair market value of
our stock, which is the closing price of the stock on the day before the fourth
quarter Board meeting, which is set a year in advance. For 2011, I expect the
income statement impact of this new grant will largely be offset by the full
vesting of the 2005 stock option grant.
Our tax
rate for the first nine months of 2010 was 38.8%, benefiting from a 37% rate
during Q3 2010. The effective tax rate in the third quarter of 2010 was lower
than normal, due primarily to the expiration of certain state and federal tax
statute of limitations. For the full-year 2010, we expect an effective tax rate
of 38% to 39%.
As a
result of the 59% increase in net sales for the first nine months of 2010, we
increased our inventory balances by $16 million during the same period. From a
cash flow perspective, this increase in our inventory balance was largely offset
by a $13 million increase in accounts payable, primarily due to the timing of
payments. In addition, accrued expenses increased $9 million during the first
nine months of 2010, primarily due to normal seasonal fluctuations.
Preliminary
estimates for 2011 are that capital expenditures will be $10 million to $12
million. However, certain capital projects included in our 2010 capital
expenditure forecast may not be completed until next year, which would cause our
estimate for 2011 to increase. Additional capital expenditures may also be
required, depending upon the extent of the sales growth and other initiatives by
the Company. Depreciation and amortization is estimated to be approximately $16
million in 2011.
Thank you
for your time. Now, I will turn it back to Fred.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Thank
you, Joe. Operator, we can open it up for questions now.
QUESTION AND
ANSWER
Operator
(Operator
Instructions) Kathryn Thompson, Thompson Research Group.
Jamie Baskin - Thompson Research Group - Analyst
Good
morning, everyone. This is Jamie Baskin on the line for Kathryn. My first
question, you reported today in your release a 2% decline in revenues in
October. Can you tell me how have sales progressed since October and September?
In other words, has there been a more meaningful drop-off in orders or has the
slowdown been more gradual?
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Fred
Zinn - Drew Industries
Incorporated - President, CEO
Well,
I think first, we have to recognize that we are comparing to a much stronger
period last October. So last year, there were significant increases in
production in the RV industry. So we need to put that in perspective when
thinking about the change this October.
Jason, do
you want to respond in terms of what you've seen in recent weeks for
demand?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
Yes, I mean, I think we are trending for a little bit of a slowdown right now.
And everybody is anticipating that dealers are cutting back inventories through
the rest of this quarter, and things will get strong again in the first quarter
of next year.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
And
I think we need to keep in mind that that's a good thing for next year. With
retail dealer inventories so low, any movement in retail demand will hopefully
spur both dealer orders and production. So that would be a good
thing.
Jamie Baskin - Thompson Research Group - Analyst
Okay. Also, we've been hearing about towable discounting in the market from our contacts. So what level discounting have you seen, and what do you think is really driving the discounting from your perspective?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think you probably have better information and more current information in terms
of that. We are supplying OEMs. We are not in direct contact with
dealers.
But I
would expect you are right. I don't know what is driving it, except that I think
dealers are continuing to be cautious, and they are buying when they get a good
bargain. I think that dealers are looking for bargains and consumers in the
off-season are looking for bargains.
You have
to remember, most people in the northern half of our country are not going to do
a lot of RVing in December and January. So they will buy on
bargains.
Jamie Baskin - Thompson Research Group - Analyst
Okay.
And then last quarter, Drew initially tried to push through price increases to
cover increases in raw materials, but then the raw material prices dropped. On
the Q2 '10 call, you said you didn't have to stick with such a large
increase.
Our
question is why didn't you try to maintain these increases, because they appear
to have had an impact on Q3 numbers? And then what are you doing going forward
to mitigate the tough raw material cost and price fluctuations?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
don't think really we said that we had gone after price increases. We said, I
believe, that if prices continued to increase, we would have to. Prices didn't
continue to increase. Generally, for our larger raw materials, costs stayed
reasonably consistent. Some went up, but most stayed reasonably
consistent.
And I
think at this point, the comparison between Q3 of 2010 and Q3 of 2009 is a
little distorted because of Q3 2009, when prices were lower, costs were lower.
So I don't foresee any significant change in raw material costs as a percentage
of our sales going forward.
Jason, do
you have anything to add to that?
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Jason
Lippert - Drew Industries
Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and
Kinro
No.
Jamie Baskin - Thompson Research Group - Analyst
Final
question is on manufactured housing. When did you start to see the impact of a
more meaningful shift from multi-section homes to single-section?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think it has been gradual. I don't know if there has been a huge shift, but over
the years, those trends have changed -- not over month-by-month periods. I think
you'd need to look at how it has changed a little bit from prior years. And it
is down a few percent, I think, from prior years, down meaning the number of --
or the proportion of larger homes going down and the proportion of smaller homes
going up a little bit. Not a huge change.
I think
looking at -- for instance, in August, I think 58% of homes were multi-section.
And you look back a year ago, and it was 64%. So, modest changes.
Jamie Baskin - Thompson Research Group - Analyst
All
right. Thank you for answering my questions. That's all.
Operator
Bret
Jordan, Avondale Partners.
Bret Jordan - Avondale Partners - Analyst
A
couple quick questions. I guess looking at the pushing out the earn-out, is that
related to a particular acquisition, or is that just across the board, the
businesses you've acquired year-to-date,, the businesses are building a little
more slowly than you had initially projected?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think we only had one acquisition where we had a very significant earn-out. So
it is largely related to that one.
But it is
not so much that our forecast of the sales have changed. It is just the timing
of it. And when you are calculating that liability, you calculate it based upon
discounting to present value. So the further out your payments are, the lower
the present value of those payments. And that is what happened to us in our
estimates for this quarter. But not a huge change, just a modest change in terms
of the timing.
Bret Jordan - Avondale Partners - Analyst
Okay.
And then a quick question on transit. Sounds like that was pretty successful. Is
that something that you are just seeing incremental market share in, or is there
an underlying lift in transit in general?
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Fred
Zinn - Drew Industries
Incorporated - President, CEO
I
don't know if there has yet been an underlying shift in transit, in buses. I
think it is just a slow growth or modest growth on our part, and as we gain some
traction and focus more on the transit bus market, hopefully we will see some
healthier increases.
I think
that right now, I expect that with state and local governments cutting back
their spending, there probably has not been a significant increase in all kinds
of buses; transit buses may be a little bit different. Jason, do you have
anything to add on that?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
No.
Bret Jordan - Avondale Partners - Analyst
One
last question. I guess as -- I may have asked this last quarter -- but as far as
the new slide technology that made you probably more relevant in the motorhome
category, are you seeing any real pickups or meaningful new business on that
side?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Nothing
that we are ready to announce, but I think we are seeing some very good
progress.
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
There
is a lot of gravitation toward that product right now in the motorhome market
for us. And it is leading to a lot of good opportunities, month in and month
out. So we will continue to develop that just as quick and as meaningfully as we
can here in the upcoming quarters.
Bret Jordan - Avondale Partners - Analyst
Great.
Thank you.
Operator
Scott
Stember, Sidoti & Company.
Scott Stember - Sidoti & Company - Analyst
Talk
about the aftermarket sales increases. We know on the manufactured housing side
how that has come about. But with regards to the RV side, is there any one, two
or three products that are mentioned that are really driving that
gain?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think it is a number of gains across products. Jason, anything in particular
that is standing out in terms of the aftermarket in RV?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
In
the aftermarket?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Yes.
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Jason
Lippert - Drew Industries
Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and
Kinro
Yes,
I mean, it is certain products. We are adding products to the aftermarket
portion of the business every month. I mean, with our aftermarket partners, we
are trying to throw as many products their way as we can. But they pick and
choose and take the ones that they feel will be the most meaningful in their
marketplace. And as other products become more relevant, we throw those in. But
right now, it is just a select three or four products that are probably driving
that.
Scott Stember - Sidoti & Company - Analyst
Could
you disclose what they are?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
Yes,
I can. Axles is a big portion, and we do a lot of entry steps, both manuals and
electrics. We do Happijac bed-lift mechanisms and some jack products, some
electric-tongue jacks and stabilizer jacks and things like that, stuff that are
easy to either replace or bolt on.
But every
month, we are working on trying to load our aftermarket partners up with more
relevant product, which has been growing over the last couple years and it will
continue to grow for us.
Scott Stember - Sidoti & Company - Analyst
Okay,
great. And Fred, some bigger-picture kind of stuff looking out. With -- you did
say that most of your growth right now is tied to the RV business. Could you
talk about some tangible opportunities that you might have outside of what you
are seeing in transit right now?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think it's what we've talked about before. There is -- more of our business will
shift, I believe, towards motorhomes, so still within RVs.
But I
believe that there is some opportunity for growth both in our RV products and in
the motorhome market. Certainly the transit buses that we've talked about
before, utility and cargo trailers that we've talked about before. And at some
point -- we will see what happens, but at some point, I got to believe that the
recreational boat market will start to recover and we'll see some additional
business there.
Scott Stember - Sidoti & Company - Analyst
Got
you. That's all I have. Thank you.
Operator
Torin
Eastburn, CJS Securities.
Torin Eastburn - CJS Securities - Analyst
Fred,
can you first just talk about the acquisition landscape as you see it
now?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Yes,
it has been pretty full. We've looked at quite a number of deals. We've closed
four already this year. I think there is still some small window of opportunity
as dealers -- as sellers, rather, get a little concerned or sellers remain
concerned about changes in the tax rates that may happen next year.
But I
think that it has been a pretty full pipeline.
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Torin Eastburn - CJS Securities - Analyst
And
how does the valuations that you are seeing there compare to the valuation of
your stock?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
You
mean in terms of multiples? Well, most of the deals we've done and a number of
those that we've looked at are not really based upon a multiple of historical
earnings. It is based upon opportunity. Several of the deals we closed were just
for a portion of the price in cash up front and the balance in an earn-out
depending on the future. So it is a little hard to make the comparisons to prior
periods.
But I
would say those that we've looked at where multiples of EBITDA were a
consideration, we are still in that same range we have historically been, or a
little lower. We are not going to pay more than six times, and hopefully,
considerably lower.
Torin Eastburn - CJS Securities - Analyst
Okay,
and then my other question. Usually, you see the real seasonal pickup in March
or sometime around there. When will you start to get visibility into what the
orders for that time period look like?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Jason,
what do you think? How soon will you get a feeling about the spring selling
season?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
We
feel really good about the middle of February, once the shows start firing up in
January. And we are anticipating inventories continue to fall up until that
point. Retail has been good.
So there
is a lot of -- we've had a lot of dealers in town over the last several weeks
with some of the shows that we've had here, and they are all singing the same
song, that inventories are reducing and there is some financial flooring
difficulties out there. And I think as soon as inventories free up a little bit
more, they will be ready to purchase.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think you have to remember that dealers are very motivated by lenders to turn
their inventories quickly. They have the curtailment payments. So what they buy
today, they may have to start paying on before the spring selling season with
their curtailment payment. So they are going to be cautious until we get into --
early part of 2011.
And we
don't have -- in terms of the visibility, we don't have months of legal orders.
Our visibility -- or our firm visibility is only a few weeks out or less. But of
course, we do have -- Jason and his team have relationships with the customers
that give a little more visibility.
Torin Eastburn - CJS Securities - Analyst
Okay.
Thanks, Fred.
Operator
Liam
Burke, Janney Montgomery.
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Liam Burke - Janney Capital Markets - Analyst
Fred,
just to talk a little bit more about the acquisition front, you picked up some
interesting technology in the last year or so. Do you see the pipeline having
some new technology that you can apply to your product line?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
The
existing pipeline? I think it is a mix. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see
more of those type acquisitions. I think it is difficult for inventors to get
funding, so they need a partner. It is difficult for inventors or startups to
get in front of Thor and Forest River and Jayco and such. So they need a
partner. So I wouldn't be surprised to see more of that, but I think it has been
a mix.
Liam
Burke - Janney Capital Markets
- Analyst
Great.
And on the cash front, your cash balance continues to grow. Your cash flow is
strong. The priority is still acquisitions?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Yes,
certainly the priority is still acquisitions.
Liam Burke - Janney Capital Markets - Analyst
Great.
Thank you.
Operator
Arnold
Brief, Goldsmith & Harris.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
In
the conventional mortgage market right now, it is almost impossible for a
retiree to get a mortgage. The banks are only including, well, Social Security,
pensions, obviously, and wage income. They are refusing to include interest
income, dividend income, capital gains in determining the extent the mortgagee
could carry a mortgage.
I'm
wondering how much of your RV customer -- how many of your -- what percentage of
your RV customers are retirees? What is the financing situation? And is that
becoming a problem?
The second
question would also be what is the maximum earn-out liability that you have in
front of you?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
In
terms of the mortgages and the availability of mortgages, I think it is probably
-- I think, on balance, when you look at the financing picture for RVs in
aggregate, it has gotten a little bit better.
I think
that General Motors partnering up has helped. They are supplying some liquidity
in the market place. I think that credit unions are still supplying some
liquidity in the marketplace.
But I
think in terms of home-equity lines, and if that is where you are getting at, or
retirees selling their homes and having some extra cash, I think that's still a
difficult part of the market. And I think it impacts not only our RV segment,
but certainly it impacts our manufactured housing segment. When retirees can't
sell their homes, they can't buy another home, a smaller, less expensive home,
to move to a warmer climate.
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Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
I'm
not thinking of selling the home; I'm thinking of actually financing a purchase,
where the only income that would be included in consideration is, as I say,
Social Security and pensions. They will not include dividends, interest and
capital gains which are what most retirees are living off of.
So I guess
I am wondering why doesn't it affect that -- doesn't that affect the purchase of
an RV? And again, what percentage of your RV customers are retired?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Maybe
Leigh has some input.
Leigh Abrams - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman of the Board
I
think the retiree usually sells their existing home or they sell their RVs. They
generally have cash to buy the new home. I don't think you see a lot of retirees
buying a home for the first time.
So I think
a lot of cash is coming out of the retiree from the sale of an existing home, an
existing RV. It used to be about a third of RV buyers paid cash when they bought
an RV, and my guess is those are the retirees that are buying an RV and they are
paying cash for it.
It is your
younger generation, from 30 on up, that is financing the RV.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
Do
you have an idea what percent are retired?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
think it is a fairly broad range across all age spectrums. I wouldn't be
surprised -- I think there is some data, so if you want the details, I think
there is some data on the RVIA website that may be helpful. But I would guess it
is probably on the order of 25% or 35%.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
And
you haven't seen any problem in financing their purchase?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
No,
I think that financing is still difficult, improving, but difficult. I think for
different reasons than you are explaining, though. I think there is an
availability question, and I think that credit requirements are still
tough.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
I
can tell you it's a serious, serious, serious problem in the conventional
mortgage loans. The maximum earn-out liability?
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Joe
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Incorporated - CFO, Treasurer
In
terms of the earn-out liability, we currently have about $12 million recorded on
our books, and that represents the present value. If you were to just take an
undiscounted cash flow, that would be $15 million or $16 million. And several of
the larger products do have caps, but some of the products don't have
caps.
So I
couldn't give you an absolute maximum. But luckily, that on each one of those,
even after the royalty payment, we continue to -- will make money. So the larger
the amount of the earn-out payment on some of those, the better we are going to
do.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
But
I would -- right now, our estimate is an undiscounted amount of around $15
million to $16 million. And that is pretty close to what a cap would be, except
for, as Joe said, on some of these smaller products directly.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
Thank
you very much.
Operator
Barry
Vogel, Barry Vogel & Associates.
Barry Vogel - Barry Vogel & Associates - Analyst
Fred,
I have two questions, because a lot of my questions have been answered. Has the
concentration of towables producers, which has really accelerated in the last 15
to 20 months, has it and do you think it will affect your pricing in any way in
terms of sale of your RV components?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
know you are referring primarily to Thor's acquisition of Heartland and some
other consolidation moves, as you said. And I think that Thor has always been --
or has historically been a very significant customer for us. They were a 30%
customer and now they are more.
I think in
either case, they have some leverage, as we do. I don't think that the balance
is going to change significantly. I think that they may see some -- we may see
some requests for price reductions, and we may try and offset some of that with
some new business. But I don't see anything major on the horizon. I don't think
anything has happened of significance, and I don't see anything major on the
horizon. Is that fair to say, Jason?
Jason Lippert - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman & President of Lippert Components and Kinro
Yes.
Barry Vogel - Barry Vogel & Associates - Analyst
The
other question, I think a miracle occurred in the last few weeks where the FHA
and Ginnie Mae finally, I think, gave initial approvals for changing the rules
on FHA financing for manufactured housing. Do you think that is going to affect
the industry in any positive way next year?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Well,
I think some of our customers have a little more insight. I did listen to the
conference calls that have been held so far, and I think they are not looking
for a short-term impact. They think there is potential improvement over the
long-term, as we get into, let's say, the middle of next year. But everybody is
cautious, because it has taken so long and what little was done in the prior
quarters hasn't had an awful lot of impact. So I would say cautious
optimism.
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Leigh Abrams - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman of the Board
There
is a difference between them saying they are going to do it and actually doing
it.
Barry Vogel - Barry Vogel & Associates - Analyst
We
know that. We know that (multiple speakers). Thank you very much. You guys do a
great job.
Operator
Arnold
Brief, Goldsmith & Harris.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
Just
one other question. How would you see the sales mix of this company five years
from now? I'm trying to get some feel for how important your strategic effort to
diversify the revenue base is on you guys. You've gone into transit and some
other stuff. Now, is this a major strategic effort to diversify that revenue
base? How do you see it five years down the road?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
would say a moderate change in the mix. I'm hoping, and I expect, that we will
still have opportunities over that time frame in recreational vehicles, as they
become more feature-laden, and as we add more products. But I think that other
markets will gain as a share of our sales. I don't think we are going to see 40%
of our sales in these related markets.
But what I
didn't mention before is that we have products that we could sell in the
aftermarket, outside of manufactured housing and recreational vehicles. We have
that as an additional. I think when you look at all of those markets together,
whether it is modular housing, potential in recreational boating, cargo and
utility trailers, transit buses, I think all of that together can have a
reasonably significant -- hold a reasonably significant share of our sales, but
not 40% -- 20% ish, 10% to 25%.
Leigh Abrams - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman of the Board
Just
one other thing. Fred always says that manufactured housing represents 10% of
the housing market. The housing market is as low as it has been right now. The
housing market picks up to traditional levels, maybe to twice at what it is now,
we could probably anticipate doubling sales in manufactured housing. That is a
big item, with high-margin -- high incremental margin pickups.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
That
is a very good point. I think that is not only a possibility, but I think a
fairly good one.
Arnold Brief - Goldsmith & Harris - Analyst
Thank
you.
Operator
(Operator
Instructions) DeForest Hinman, Walthausen & Company.
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DeForest Hinman - Walthausen & Company - Analyst
I
had a couple questions. I thought I heard Leigh on the call. But mostly for
Leigh and Fred, I find it interesting that we are seeing very high commodity
prices for farming products, which probably bodes well for farmers going into
next year. And we are seeing a lot of sales strength from Polaris. Can you kind
of talk about what you've seen historically when we have had farm incomes in the
US at very high levels?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
don't know the answer to that. Do you have any insight, Leigh?
Leigh Abrams - Drew Industries Incorporated - Chairman of the Board
No.
I mean, if you are talking about the general economy, neither Fred or I are
economists. You would just have to try to guess whether the country really is
turning around. And my personal opinion is, which is not worth very much, is
that we probably are on a very slow growth trajectory. Probably going to take
several years to come out of this situation that we are in right now. And a lot
of that is going to depend on US deficits. How do we finance those
deficits?
So there
are just questions that probably haven't been around before. But long-term, I
think we are coming out of it and coming out of it very, very
slowly.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
I
have seen reports that say there is becoming more and more of a distinction
between the haves, so to speak, in our economy, and the have-nots. And whether
it is the farm part of the economy or other sections of the economy, as they are
more haves, I do think we will see increases in purchases by those groups in
recreational vehicles.
I think
that is one of the reasons why RVs have performed better than many portions of
our economy over the past couple of years. I mean, we are talking about
double-digit increases in retail sales of recreational vehicles in the past year
or less, and certainly far, far less favorable performance in other parts of the
economy.
So whether
it is farmers, I don't know. But I do think that as different parts of the
economy improve, we will see growth in RVs.
DeForest Hinman - Walthausen & Company - Analyst
Okay.
And then the cash on the balance sheet, want to kind of revisit this question. I
think I've asked it before. What level of cash are you comfortable with?
Historically, we haven't made very large acquisitions. Just kind of looking back
historically, I don't think in any given year we've spent more on acquisitions
than we currently have on the balance sheet.
And then
with probably a positive working capital contribution in the fourth quarter, I
mean, are we looking at any share repurchase activity or special
dividend?
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Well,
certainly our focus remains on acquisitions. But in the third quarter, in
September, we did buy a few shares. If you are looking at our statement of cash
flows for the quarter, you will see that we did buy some shares. And that is
something we talk about each quarter at our Board meetings, and we will look at
market conditions and such to determine whether we will buy additional
shares.
But I
think if we are not making acquisitions of size over the next few quarters, you
can expect that we will look more seriously -- more and more seriously at buying
shares.
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Joe Giordano - Drew Industries Incorporated - CFO, Treasurer
Correct.
And looking at working capital in the fourth quarter, our accounts receivables
should come down. Payables will come down also to offset that. But that is
generally timing, because we will build that back up in the beginning of the
first quarter.
DeForest Hinman - Walthausen & Company - Analyst
Okay.
Thank you.
Operator
There
are no further questions at this time. This does conclude the
question-and-answer portion of the call. I would now like to turn the call back
over to Fred Zinn for closing remarks. Please proceed, sir.
Fred Zinn - Drew Industries Incorporated - President, CEO
Thank
you, and thank you all very much for participating. You always ask good
questions. It always makes us think and kind of think through our businesses
even more than we typically do.
And I look
forward to seeing some of you at the RV show in Louisville at the end of
November; I know some of you do attend. And I look forward to speaking with all
of you on our next conference call in February. Thank you again.
Operator
Ladies
and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This
concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a great
day.
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